Portfolio

Hello Students,

Please note that the deadline for each of you to turn in the Portfolio is onWednesday, Dec 8th, from 10 am till 4 pm. I will be in my office @ COAS 245 during the time period.

The Portfolio will include:

1. 2 SQRs revised (the most challenging one & the best one) + reflection letter.

2. Project II: 2 copies

1st copy: Your 1st complete Draft with my comments
2nd copy: Your revised Draft highlighting the changes you made when working on my comments

3. Cover Letter (Project IV)

Please put them all in a Folder, label the Folder:

Portfolio
Student's name:
Instructor's name:
Class
Date

Let me know if you have questions

TP

LAB classes

Hi students

We will have LAB classes from this moment till the end of the semester as followed:

Nov 30th: Lab 2.150 - In-class writing – Revise Project II

Dec 2nd: Lab 2.160 - In-class writing - Revised 2 SRQs + reflection letter

In-class writing - Cover Letter

Dec 7th: Mac Lab 2.130 - In-class writing – revised Cover Letter

Your Project II (with my comments) + 2 SRQs + reflection letter will be returned to you for revision.

Please come on time.

See you all soon.

IMPORTANT!!!

Hi Students,

Hope you had a great weekend and the course work has become an ease up to now.

So, I am going to collect your Project II (2 copies: 1 copy with edition + stamp from the Writing center; the 2nd one with your revision/changes highlighted) tomorrow during class time (9:10-11:50 in our regular classroom COAS 254). Please be on time.

One minor change in our AGENDA, as you can find in the blog, is that the last day for you to turn in your Portfolio is moved forwarded to Dec 8 because Dec 10 is the Dead Day (you don't have to go to school on this day). Please schedule the work and I hope we finish everything WELL on time.

And here are the schedule for Project II presentations:

Nov 18: Lucero; Alva; Maria Martinez; Erika; Cynthia; Eloy; Roxana; Zalina; Vivian

Nov 23: The rest of you.

Let me know if you have any questions.

See you all tomorrow.

LAB classes on Nov 9 & 11

Hi everyone,

We will have LAB classes again this week @ LAB 2. 150. Please bring your works to finish and be on time.

Good night!!!

Classes on Nov 4

Hi Students,

Tomorrow we have classes again in LAB 2. 150. Please bring your work to finish.

See you all there.

Classes tomorrow

Hi Students,

Tomorrow you will still working on the 4 parts of Project II. We will have 2 classes on LAB 2.150. Please don't forget your hard drive/have your works saved electronically. Tomorrow is also the deadline for those of you who haven't turned in Revised Research Proposal and Revised Annotative Bibliography.

And, please be on time.

See you there @ 9:10 am.

Good night!!!

REMINDER!!!

Hi all,

don't forget to bring the HARD COPY of the handout (with 3 research Topics) that you filled out last week to class tomorrow.

See you all in class.

Good night!!!

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Marcela Cardenas

Andrea Alanis

ENG 1320/1301.158

October 6, 2010

SQR 6 – Closing my eyes as I speak

Summary

In the reading “Closing my eyes as I speak” Peter Elbow says and explains how he intends not to undermine the benefits of writing with audience awareness, but instead of that celebrate the benefits of ignoring the audience. The author also mentions how some audiences can some times inspire the students and make them enable their writing, but never leaving out the idea that there are some audiences that intimidate the students. The author also mentions that ignoring the audience could be extremely beneficial for students.

Peter Elbow also mentions that in order to prevent a writer’s block and frustration the writer must sometimes ignore the audience and this will give the result of a better writing. In this article the author also talks about the audience awareness and how this get related with the writer-based prose and the reader-based prose. The author also mentions that we should encourage students to ignore the audience in order to recognize the audience awareness and in order for them to make a better work or presentation.

This article is just about how the audience awareness is related to the fears of speaking and how a student can develop better their work when they ignore o when they not ignore and audience.

QUESTION:

How is audience awareness related to writer-based prose and reader based-prose?

In the reading “Closing my eyes” the author talks about audience awareness and how is this related with writer-based prose and reader-based prose. Audience awareness is completely related to writer-based prose and reader-based prose because an audience is who understands when someone writes as a reader-based prose and that is when the audience understand but when someone use the writer-based prose that is when the audience does not understand.

Audience awareness is also related to writer and reader based prose because it depends in how much a person concentrates to the audience that he or she is presenting to and how the speakers tries to communicate with the audience. Sometimes the person who is exposing just concentrate in his own speech trying to avoid the audience to achieve a better work but there are other times in which the speaker just concentrates in its audience and try its best to explain its work and that is when the audience awareness does not  work in relationship with the writer-based prose.

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Alva Nidia Huerta

Lucero Chinchurreta

Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience

Summary:

This article is about writers not to undermine the benefits of writing with audience, but to benefit from the ignorance of audience. In the article Elbow states that even though the audience helps the students feel smart and help enable their writing, it’s more ordinary of audiences who intimidate students, audiences that block and disrupt the writer from composing. Teachers need to help the students in recognizing what audience awareness is and for them to find a way to ignore the audiences as they compose.

Elbow claims ignoring the audience in early stages of the writing process can ultimately result in better writing, this helps prevent the writer’s blockage and the irritation towards their writing. Yet the writing can lead to writer-based prose instead of reader-based prose, writing writer-based prose is more natural. But it can also be odd, and writers should allow for the importance of revising with the audience in mind.

In the article the role of audience awareness is shown in two models of cognitive development, the Piagetian and the Vygotskian. The Piagetian model claims that language begins as a private act and as we mature, we learn to become more social. It claims that underdeveloped writing is caused by the inability to meet the needs of the audience. The solution for such writing, says the Piagetians, is to "think more about the audience." The Vygotskian model, on the other hand, states that language begins as a social act and as we mature, we learn to better hear our own voices for ourselves. Underdeveloped writing in this model happens when writers haven't taken the time to hear that voice. The solution for Vygotskians is for the author to develop ideas more fully for themselves.

Peter Elbow. “Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience”. College English, Vol. 49, No. 1(Jan., 1987), pp 50-69

Question:

Have you ever experience inviting/enabling audiences or inhibiting ones for you writing? Can you explain how it felt?

Response:

After reading the article “Closing My Eyes” by Peter Elbow we agree that for some people audience awareness is experience in a different way for some when they are expose to audience awareness as an inviting/enabling audience they feel comfortable writing in front or with an audience but for other audience awareness can be inhibiting which means that they do not like for other to say or see their audience they decide to close their eyes and block their audience completely. For example for us we tend or at some point we used to be inhibiting type of audience because when will get intimidated by the audience to the point where we will get nervous, we wouldn’t write or our thoughts and ideas would go away we would just feel dumps and we would do much will in the other hand as soon the person left or we would block our audience we would start writing with no problem our ideas would be better and we would end up with a complete draft. But as time pass we have learned to work with an audiences without feeling dumb, get distracted and blank out.

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Cynthia Sanchez

Andrea Martinez

Trang Phan

                                                       "Closing My Eyes As I Speak"

Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience, Peter Elbow, College English, Vol.49, No. 1(Jan. 1987), pp 50-69

“Closing My Eyes as I Speak” Peters Elbows briefly talks about how us writers sometimes do not really think when we are about to start writing. In other words that we practically write-base-prose. Elbows main point of view about us writing, write-base-prose is that he agrees with us and finds it as an easy way, because he thinks that every time the writer thinks of the audience we struggle to find the perfect word of fraise to sound perfect. Peter talks over two main things that audiences constantly seem to say. The first type is when audience gives good comments over the writers writing with a good tone. While the second type is when the audience just seem to be rude and make the writer feel dumb and unknowledgeable.

Q: In what way can audience awareness be helpful and hurtful when writing?

R: Audience awareness can be a very helpful source for writers while writing, for the fact of when we try to start to write a paper that we predict it will be understandable to them and well for us too. It can automatically be considered as a reader-based prose, because when us the writers have the audience in our mind when we write the paper it is known as readers-base-prose. However, it can be harmful, like if we think too much about our audience we just get confused and completely blank out or we just get stuck on the topic so we can’t think about what to really write. This is because we try too hard to satisfy our audience. For example: writer-based prose where we just don’t think about the audience, so that is what we as writers need to do, because they will give us a better paper. As for, reader-based prose it cannot be your own paper because the writer is just thinking of aiming directly to the point which it ends up being unsatisfied to the audience. The reason that that occurs is because they have too much audience awareness. In our opinion we think audience awareness can be both helpful and harmful but in order to get a good paper we have to be able to use reader-based prose and writer-based prose. We believe that the main format of readers-base-prose and writers-base-prose is that the writers need to know when and how to use those fromats.

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Javier Lopez

English 1320/1301  .158

Trang Phan

10/07/10

Closing My Eyes As I Speak (Revised)

S.

In this article, Peter Elbow focuses more on the fact that us, as students, often create a mass overload when speaking uncomfortably around people. As skilled professionals, teachers are often taught to teach their students to block out the audience when the overwhelming feeling of shyness occurs. Elbow compares the audience to a field of force (pg.51 ) that can be good and bad. The audience has a lot to do with the way the reader expresses himself. If you show no sense of interest, the reader will become more reluctant and began to show it by loss of words and ideas. Using tactics to block out the reader, or as Elbow calls it, “desert island mode”,(pg. 56) often deals with the ability to have some kind of  psychological development. “Thought writing is deeply and though we usually help things by enhancing its social dimension, writing is also the mode of discourse best suited to helping us develop the reflective and private dimension of our mental lives.”(pg. 61)

Q. How does Audience Awareness be helpful and hurtful when writing an essay?

R.

In the article the author describes how sometimes the audience cannot help us because they want to much details and at the end we don’t know what to say because i run out of things to say. In my opinion, you should only refer to the audience when you have nothing else to say or for feed back. They can either help us or break us. If we just wright for the audience, our writing is going to lead to many mistakes and more than likely repeat itself. Now the audience can help you by asking for too much details about the topic. Basically you have to be on task and not let the audience overwhelm you. “Ignoring the audience can lead to worse drafts but better revisions.” (pg. 53). Although ignoring the audience can lead to better writing, you have to learn when to and when not to rely on them. Usually when I write my papers, I first think about myself and come back to the audience. That’s not always a good thing to do because it can easily sidetrack a reader. So either way, if u think about the audience or only put your opinion, it will somehow lead to bad writing.

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Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience

Author(s): Peter Elbow Source: College English, Vol. 49, No. 1 (Jan., 1987), pp. 50 69.Published by: National Council of Teachers of English
In the article the Peter Elbow states that sometimes when we write we don’t really think about it. That we write mostly in a writer-base-prose. He says this because he feels that it’s easiest to write this way; because when you take the audience into consideration you get stuck trying to find the right words to conduct your point of view to the reader. The author also says that there are two types of audiences. One type is the one that helps you by giving you good constructive criticism and the audience that makes you feel like you are dumb by not paying you attention or just by the way they respond to you. He ultimately states that if the situation gets rough sometimes it may help to putting readers out of mind to have a better express your idea, and then when you revise your writing you just alter it a little so that it’s understandable to other people not only to you.



How are the Piagentian and Vygotskian developmental models compare to writer-base-prose and to reader-base-prose?
In Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience, Peter Elbow states that when people write they generally use one of two developmental models the Piagentian or the Vygotskian; one of which, Piafentian, starts on a personal level; that means that you write only whats on your mind and don’t really care for anyone else. This sounded really familiar to me because Linda Flower stated something similar in her article. She stated that for most people its easier to write form a personal level that includes personal experiences and language that is not common to everyone she called this process writer-base-prose. The other one, Vyfotskian, starts at a social level, which means that when you write you don’t only think about yourself you think about the audience of the your paper. Linda Flower also stated something similar except that she called it reader-base-prose. In this process she said that the writer put the reader before him/herself; that meant that the author would try to put him/herself in the readers place in order to assure that the reader will understand the purpose of the text. However here is where Elbow and Flower differ; Elbow feels that all writers should use Piagentian because like that they don’t run the risk of losing their “voice;” while Flower believes that writers should move away from writing utilizing writer-base-prose to writing styles that worry more about the reader, reader-base-prose. I believe that we as writer need a balance of the two in order to progress as writers.

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Zalina Nazarova and Adrian Badillo
Eng 1320/1301.158
Phan Trang
Closing my eyes as I speak: An argument for ignoring audience
This article talks about some techniques which will help students not to struggle or feel nervous while giving a speech in front of huge audience. There are two types of audience. First are inviting or enabling, and when we think about them as we write, we usually think of more and better things to say. It’s like talking to the perfect listener. Second is inhibiting. There are certain people who always make us feel stupid or dumb when we try to speak to them, which mean we can’t find words or thoughts. And as soon as we get out of their presence, all the things that we wanted to say pop back into our minds. The awareness of audience disturbs our writing and thinking. For example when we write to our teacher or professor we often start to think defensively. As we write our minds fills with thoughts of how the intended reader will criticize it. So we try to qualify what we write and our writing becomes tangled or empty. So what we should do is we need to ignore the audience during writing and write to ourselves. This strategy always dissipates the confusion. After we have figured out our thinking in draft writing we can follow the traditional rhetorical advice: think about readers and revise carefully to adjust our thoughts and words to our intended audience. So as a writer we need to learn when to think about audience and when to put readers out of mind. After examine good student or professional writing you can see that writer’s having gotten sufficiently wrapped up in her meaning and her language and have forgotten all about audience needs. It also been said that writers need to escape their audience in order to find their own ideas. What most readers’ value in really excellent writing is not prose that is right for readers but prose that is right for thinking, language, or right for the subject being written about.

Q.What are the influences of audience while writing?

R.Audience adaptation is an initial step to evaluate the relationship between writer and reader. It is the concept of an author structuring and styling the way information is written based on who the author feels will be reading her text. The consideration of audience affects the style, tone and way an author chooses to write as a result. A writer is forming thoughts and conveying information in a style she/he believes will help an audience better understand context. Interpretations of text rely on the individual’s experiences and previous knowledge. To stylize work toward a particular audience, a writer must develop assumptions about who the audience consists of and how they would interpret ideas. So for example there is a huge difference if your audience is professor or high school student. If your audience is professor you will use different phrases, scholar information or resources, you will follow certain rules and things like that. Where in the situation where your audience is high school student you will not care about scholar information or scholar sources, or your phrases won’t look so complicated it would be very simple. Writers are always relay on their audience, while writing, in order to make some changes in their writing because each kind of audience has different knowledge and status.

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Oscar Ramirez
Michael Silva
Eng 1320/1301
Tran Phan
10-05-10
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Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience, Peter Elbow, College English, Vol.49, No. 1(Jan. 1987), pp 50-69
In the article the author points out that when we write we don’t really put any thought in to it. So we
just keep on writing and doing whatever we want to write and the author notices that we don’t just
keep on writing instead of us stopping and writing to a point where we make it understandable for the
other people. He talks about how we as writers don’t like to stall and wait for an idea. They want to
write papers that they know they can write to if they don’t like the teacher they don’t want a topic
based and the teacher due to the comments they might write. They want to write something that they
are good at and they can relate to for a better writing. When they write like that they sometime don’t
care what other people think other their writing. In the other hand it can be a good thing for some
People due to its affects that proof reading can actually help out them improve on some errors.











Oscar Ramirez
Michael Silva
Eng 1320/1301
Tran Phan
SRQ 6
Q: How does Audience awareness be helpful and hurtful when writing an essay?

R: In the article the way the author describes how writing notes on the side of an essay telling a student how they can improve how they can get a bit criticized because they never know how hard they worked on that paper and when they get it back it has notes that it was off topic or it didn’t have enough details. It depends on the student in how they take in the notes that someone wrote or someone told you how to change. Some students take it in as a self criticism when its only notes to help the writer understand that they did not write it correctly on some parts and they should take it in for they can make them better at what they are writing. The kids who took it in as a comment they used it as an advantage to better themselves to make them see the mistakes they made by themselves and how they can change it. But then again a student can look at it in a helpful way and really think about what is wrong and come up with something completely genius. It all really depends on how the person reacts to the help they get from the audience.

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My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument For Ignoring Audience

Summary

Throughout the article Peter Elbow claims that “writer-based prose can be better than reader-based prose”(53). He talks about two kinds of audiences: inviting/enabling (writers think about the audience and they think better things to say) and inhibiting (audience that make writers feel dumb when they try to speak to them). Therefore when writers are aware of the audience as they write, it may disturb or disrupt their thinking. The author suggest to the inexpert writers to ignore audience during the early stages of their writing, and assess the readers’ needs during revision “ignoring audience can lead to worse drafts but better revisions”(53). Ignoring the audience would lead writers to explore their thoughts and discover their own ideas as they write to themselves. The author states that learning to be aware of when to turn off the audience would lead to better writings. He also mentions that ignoring audience can help writers to generate a stronger voice for their writings.

In the article the author suggest for the teachers to teach their students to write in the desert island mode (private writing). In order for the teachers to help the students, they need to be a private audience to the students, by trusting and believing in their writing.

Question #4

In p. 53, the author concludes that, “it’s often difficult to work out new meaning while thinking about the readers”. Do you agree with this argument? Please explain.

Yes, we concur with the author’s conclusion. It is difficult as a writer to explore our thoughts and discover new ideas about a certain topic while we are focused on assessing readers’ needs. It’s complicated for us writers to be thinking about the readers’ interpretation of a meaning that we the writers haven’t even figured out yet ourselves. We believe that in order to begin to construct a good concept we need to not think about the readers’ needs at first. Especially the inhibiting audience, which are the ones that make us feel dumb and shut us down.  Therefore, it’s important for us writers to be aware if the audience we have would help us as we write or if the audience would hurt us by confusing us when we write. When we begin to write we need to just write what we feel and use our own opinions on the topic we are writing about, without worrying about the audience.

This does not mean that we won’t assess the readers’ needs. It’s just that first we have to figure out our own concept about the topic we are writing about. And once we have discovered our concept, then as we revise it we will assess the readers’ needs. (making use of rhetorical writing strategies)

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Eloy Gonzalez
Arturo De La Torre
English 2313/1301.158
Trang Phan
10/5/10
Closing My Eyes As I Speak; An Argument for Ignoring Audience
Peter Elbow. “Closing My Eyes As I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience”. College English, Vol.49, No.1 (Jan., 1987), pp.50-69
S: Closing my eyes as I speak is mainly about helping one to become a better writer by teaching them to ignore their audience when the time is right. The author contradicts what the author Linda Flower says about Reader-Based Prose being better than Writer-Based Prose. Writer-Based prose as in many cased even when speaking can help the writer have more sense of what they want to write. Some audiences become hard to speak or write to when your are trying directly saying something but if you just say thoughts you are certainly expressing yourself to what you really want to say. The author gives another point of view on Reader-Based Prose and Writer-Based Prose giving more sense to the Writer-Based Prose. One main factor could be when writing discourse, as in communication or as in a play or poesies. Teacher role changes when criticism because they are no longer a teacher but an audience when this writing is being looked at. The author finishes by giving the different types of writing which are the writing task, actual reader, ones’ own temperament, “audience in-the-head”, double audience, and teacher in consideration for the best writing. When the situation gets rough sometimes it may help to putting readers out of mind and thinking of no audience, to self as a Writer-Based prose, when revising its always good to revise with an audience in mind that way your writing can make sense to whom you are speaking to.
Q: How is audience awareness related to Writer-Based Prose and Reader-Based?
R: Writer-Based prose is writing without thinking of your audience and writing to yourself and for yourself. Reader-Based prose is writing with an audience in mind and basing your conclusions and opinions on what the audience might be interested in. The author mentioned that in order for audience to understand you have to mention what your ideas are and organize them in a way for your audience to understand. In order to do that you would use both the Writer-Based prose to formulate ideas and freely write them down and then Reader-Based prose by organizing the ideas so the audience can get a sense of what you are trying to say and can agree or criticize. For example, in a research you can start of as Writer-Based prose by getting your ideas and writing them down. Then you can use Reader-Based prose to organize those ideas so the audience can understand them. Audience awareness is a combination of composing Writer-Based prose ideas and Read-Based prose. Audience awareness helps you know when the time is right to ignore the audience out of mind and when to emphasize audience awareness just like switching from Writer-Based prose to Reader Based prose.

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Daniel Garcia
Ricardo Salinas
ENG 1320/1301. 158
Trang Phan
10/4/2010
Summary
Closing my eyes as I speak: An argument for Ignoring Audience
This text is telling us that when we write an essay or something else, you have to know when you have to think as a reader, and when use the strategy of write to yourself, think that there is no going to be audience.
An audience is a field of force-the close we come, the stronger the pull they exert on the contents of our minds. There are friendly audience, that make you feel comfortable and that makes us feel smarter and we come up with ideas that we didn’t know we had. But in the other hand, we have audience that are powerfully inhibitng, is certain people that make us feel dumd when we try to speak to them. The effect of audience awareness is somewhere between: the awareness disturbs or disrupts our writing and thinking without completely blocking it.
The best way to make a good writing is when you know the exact point of when you have to think as a there is no audience and write your own point of view and then put yourself as a reader and make the corrections that you have to make so the reader can perfectly understand what you have wrote.



Question:
How does Peter Elbow describes audience awareness? In what way can audience awareness be helpful and hurtful when writing?
Response:
Some audiences, for example, are inviting or enabling. When we think about them as we write, we think of more and better things to say-and what we think somehow arrives more coherently structured than usual, when the audience its paying attetion to the writer he feels a positive feedback and he feels comfortable with the work he made and that’s a helpful audience.
Other audiences,. There are certain people who want to intimidate the writer, want to make him feel dumb and if the writer cares about what the audience thinks of them, he is not going to be comfortable with that type of audience, and he will loose focus about he just made. Sometimes the writer gives a wrong information because this kind of pressure.


Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience Author(s): Peter Elbow Source: College English, Vol. 49, No. 1 (Jan., 1987), pp. 50-69 Published by: National Council of Teachers of English

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Roxanna Diaz
Jessica Mendoza
Eng 1302/1320.158
Trang Phan
October 4, 2010
Closing My Eyes As I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience
Peter Elbow. “Closing My Eyes As I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience”. College English, Vol. 49, No.1 (Jan., 1987), pp.50-69
SUMMARY:
In this article Peter Elbow, the author, starts telling the reader about how it is very rude when a person closes their eyes to think about what they are going to say. The reason that a person does this is because they want to clear their mind and be able to say the right thing to the audience. In order for them to do that they close their eyes even though it might look rude to a person, but this action might be good for a writer. Elbow later tells us how sometimes it is better for the writer to use writer-based prose than reader-based prose because when the writer is thinking too much about the audience they just get to confused when writing. This is because if we know who we are writing for we just go blank and cannot write any more. So in order to do better the author just has to be able to block their audience until they get their train of thought back on the subject and then get back to reader-based prose. There is also the two cognitive models of development that author name which are Piagentian and Vygotskian. Piagentian is when the writer “learn to enter into viewpoints other than our own”, the Vygotskian is when the writer “learn to produce good thinking and discourse while alone”. By the writing being about to do this they are showing that they have been about to obtain a higher skill.
Question: In what way can the audience awareness be helpful and harmful when writing?
Response:
Audience awareness can be helpful while writing because we try to write a paper that would be understandable to them. This can be considering reader-based prose because we have the audience in our mind when we write the paper. The way it can be harmful is that we think too much about our audience that we get stuck in the topic and do not know what to write. This is because we try too hard to satisfy our audience that we get ourselves confused and at the end we don’t get our point to the reader. Just like in writer-based prose where we do not think about the audience that is what we as writer need to do sometime because they will give us a better paper. In the other hand when writing reader-based prose it tends not to be your own paper because the writer is going straight to the point in which ends up being somewhat boring to the reader. They do this because they have too much audience awareness. In our opinion we think audience awareness can be both helpful and harmful but in order to get a good paper we have to be able to use reader-based prose and writer-based prose. But the key about using both of them is knowing which one to used and at what time to use it.

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Vivyanne Medina

English 1301/1320.158

Trang Phan

Sept. 28, 2010

Writer-based prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writers. Linda Flower; College English, Vol. 41, No. 1 (Sept., 1979), pp. 19-37

Summary:

What’s being told on the article by “Linda Flower” is just to be effective writers and to know how to properly give your own ideas as writers. Just like a writer-based prose, “process...good writing...transformation...a structure and style adapted to a reader.” pg. 20 as of a Reader-based prose, they “attempt to communicate something to the reader...purpose of the writers thought.” We basically got to learn to give more effective details on our thought and opinion on our writing and transform our thoughts to the reader’s interest. A writer-based prose creates ideas on their own and their focus is egocentric. Pg. 25 Also, “for a reader is by itself is a powerful tool.”pg. 26 we need to know about reader-based prose so we can teach it and improve to learn about writer-based prose. Inner speech is very similar to writer-based prose because it gives “private verbal thoughts....plans, organizes, and control their activities.” Pg. 21 This helps us to give our thoughts and sort them into something that will interest the reader. Writer-based prose inspires inexperienced writers the confidence and motivation to go on in their writing. To be alert and “recognizing transformation as a special skill...” Pg.37

How does the author describe the egocentric nature?

Egocentric nature is explained as someone who has no interest in what other people think about them, doesn’t explain themselves well enough to understand, and don’t even try to look for the answers when questions are asked. An egocentric person is basically someone who doesn’t care about much, and don’t mind if anyone is paying attention to them. As in thinking of themselves, they are “locked in their own monologue” pg. 20. To them nothing else matters, only their own “point of view.”

Egocentrism in writing is something that is harmful to our paper as an author, because we have to think if the reader is going to be able to understand what we are trying to say. As in relation with writer based prose, egocentrism go together by both definitions that are kind of the same thing. The difference between them is that one is related to writing, which is WRITER BASED PROSE, and EGOCENTRISM is related to our human nature.

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Cynthia Sanchez
M. Andrea Martinez
English 1320/1301.158
Trang Phan
Writers-Base Prose: A cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing,
Linda Flower, Writers-Base Prose: A cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing, College English, Vol. 41, No. 1 (Sep., 19879), pp. 19-37
Summary:
In this article Linda Flower briefly describes of how writing should not be an obstacle in peoples life’s. She explains over some formats that people use that is not hard for them as they say writing is. For example “expressing what they think: or “saying what they mean”. Flower explains over how readers find it so difficult to understand some of the writing the writers write on article they publish, she describes over different ways writers explain their point of view but some readers seem not to get the hang of the writers view. Writers-base prose is an expression that is very well known for writers to use during their writing time, it is a record that they use verbally, it is known that Writes-Base prose falls into associate, narrative path of the writer’s confrontation towards their subject, as well as explaining that the writers go back to their experiences that they have faced before and they just turn them into facts. It is known that headings, topic sentences, and several of the subjects refect on new subjects and focus on process, peoples, and problems.
Question:
What is the difference between Write-Based Prose and Reading-Based Prose?
Response:
Writer-based prose as the writer just writing what he or she is thinking. They just write down what they feel and all their emotions in their own thoughts or ideas into a piece of paper and they do not take into consideration their audience that are reading their article. In order for the writers to change the writing they should think about the reader’s first like to put themselves in their reader’s shoes. So that the readers can understand the writers point of view. They have to take into consideration how the reader sees the reading and if they are able to understand it. Reader-based prose is when the writer does take the reader into consideration. So the reading is more understandable to reader and the reader doesn’t get caught up in the reading without knowing what the reading is about. Overall I think writers should write reader-based prose when they write a story, not writer-based prose because the reading is for the readers not the writer. They should write writer-based prose only when they are writing in a journal or diary, because that is their personal space and they should be able to write their thoughts freely.

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Lucero Chinchurreta
Alba Huerta
ENG 1320/1301.158
Instructor: Tran Phan
September 28, 2010
Writer-Base Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing
Linda Flower, “Writer-Base Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing”. College English, Vol. 41, No. 1 (Sep., 1979) pp. 19-37
This article is basically about writing and the” act of expressing what the person thinks”. One of the questions that the writers ask is why is writing often such a difficult thing to do? Also it says how the writers express what they think but usually is harder for the reader to understand or gain the same meaning. Later on explains how writers express their thoughts and also transform them into a more complex and describable ways so the reader can understand better what they are thinking or saying. Overall this article is an explanation of this under transformation mode of verbal expression. In the article explains the style of writing and the style of thoughts. “Writer-Base prose represents a major and familiar mode of expression which we all use form time to time.” No piece of writing will be a pure example they can be identify by the functions, style and features of structure. Also writer- base purse is also a practical concept that helps us teach. Is a way to intervene in the thinking process and it taps intuitive communication strategies that writers already have. In this article it shows that Linda Flowers did a study of the psychological theory of egocentrism and inner speech. The “egocentric speech, the child talks only about himself and takes no interest in his interlocutor.”

Question:
How would you identify a Writer-Based Prose and a Reader-Based Prose?
Response:
I identify a writer-based prose as the writer just writing what he or she is thinking. They just write down freely their own thoughts or ideas into paper and they don’t consider their audience. In order for writers to change this they should put themselves in the reader’s shoes. So they can be able to see a different point of view. They have to take into consideration how the reader sees the reading and if they are able to understand it. Reader-based prose is when the writer does take the reader into consideration. So the reading is more understandable to reader and the reader doesn’t get caught up in the reading without knowing what the reading is about. Overall I think writers should write reader-based prose when they write a story, not writer-based prose because the reading is for the readers not the writer. They should write writer-based prose only when they are writing in a journal or diary, because that is their personal space and they should be able to write their thoughts freely.

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Ricardo Salinas
Daniel Garcia
ENG 1320/1301. 158
Trang Phan
9/27/2010
Writer-Based Prose: A cognitive Basis for Problems of Writing
Summary:
This paper is telling us the different perspectives of Writer based prose and how when you transform it you create the Reader Based prose, they did different kind of study’s so you can see the relationship between this Reader and Writer prose.
In function Writer Based Prose is a verbal expression written by a writer to himself, is working on his verbal taught, because sometimes the reader doesn’t get what the writer put on the paper, and in structure is when you reflect the associative and narrative path of the writer own confrontation of his subject. The Writer Based Prose is a process when the writer put his own taught in structure and style adapted to the reader, everyone uses the strategies of Writer Based Prose, but good writers go a step further to transform the writing, this technique gives confidence and motivation to the inexperienced writers to go on.
Reader Based Prose is the task the groundwork laid in the first stage of the process, its an extension of our communication with ourselves transformed to the needs of the readers, most of the transformations that occur with this strategy are when you select a focus mutual interest to the reader and the writer, moving from facts, scenarios and details to concepts.
Question:
How would you identify a Writer-Based Prose and a Reader-Based Prose?
Response:
A Writer-Based Prose is when the writer make a verbal expression but its for him, it is address from him-self and for himself, and nobody else, like a journal or a dairy that only the writer would read it. It contains his personal thoughts, his personal experiences, also the deepest feelings from the writer, his language, the way he express. In its structure, Writer-Based prose reflects the associative, narrative path of the writer's own confrontation with her subject. In its language, it reveals her use of privately loaded terms and shifting but unexpressed contexts for her statements.
Reader-Based prose is a deliberate attempt to communicate something to a reader. To make that possible the writer tries to put a common language so the reader can understand his idea, or main point. It also offers the reader an issue-centered rhetorical structure rather than a replay of the writer's discovery process. In its language and structure, Reader-Based prose reflects the purpose of the writer's thought; Writer-Based prose tends to reflect its process.

Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in WritingAuthor(s): Linda FlowerSource: College English, Vol. 41, No. 1 (Sep., 1979), pp. 19-

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Zalina Nazarova and Adrian Badillo
Eng 1320/1301.158
Trang Phan
Writer-based prose: a cognitive basis for problems in writing.
This article talks about writer-based prose, a study of a transformation, its function, structure and style. Writing prose communicates what we mean to another person. Effective writers don’t simply express thought they transform it in certain complex in ways for the needs of a reader. Writer-based prose is a verbal expression written by writer to himself or for himself. It is also the record and the working of his own verbal thought. In contrast reader-based prose is attempted to communicate something to a reader. That creates a shared language and shared context between writer and reader. In its language and structure, reader- based prose reflects the purpose of the writer’s thought and tends to reflect its process. Writer-based prose can be identified by features of structure, function, and style. The structure of write-based prose reflects an economical strategy we have for coping with information. Readers expect writers to produce complex concepts- to collect data and details under larger guiding ideas and place those ideas in integrated network. For an inexperienced writer the complex transformation of a periodic sentence can be difficult juggling act. So the good writer is the one who strive for reader-based prose from the very beginning: they retrieve and organize information within the framework of a reader/writer contract.
Q. What is a survey strategy that writers use and how effective is it?
R. Writers use a survey strategy to compose because it’s a powerful procedure for retrieving and organizing information. When writers have gone through the composing process, it means that they have taken a piece of writing from the stage in which they develop ideas and think about ways of organizing them, through drafting, revising, editing, and proofreading. In practice; it is much messier, some¬ times jumping ahead, sometimes looping back. Nevertheless, most writing— and all successful academic writing—is the result of the writer's attention to all these stages. A survey strategy offers the writer a useful way into the composing process in two ways. First, it eliminates many of the constraints normally imposed by a speech act, particularly the contract between reader and writer for mutually useful discourse. Secondary, a survey of one’s own stored knowledge, marching along like a text book. To be clear most of the advantages here accrue to the writer. One of the assumptions of the writer-based writer is that once the relevant information is presented, the reader will do the work of abstracting the essential features, building a conceptual hierarchy, and transforming the whole discussion into a functional network of ideas. It may be also a useful road into a creative process for some writers.

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Javier Lopez
Ryan Martinez
English 1320/1301 .158
Trang Phan
9/28/10

Writer-based prose- A cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing

On the article by “Linda Flower” she states that to be effective writers you have to give more details on what your writing. Writer-based prose is mainly giving your “private verbal thought” (page 21.) about what the story is about. As for reader-based prose readers just “skim quickly” (pg. 22) though what they read and don’t correct the mistakes. They “attempt to communicate to the reader”(pg. 20) as they progress and “reflects the purpose of the writer's thought.” (pg. 20) Egocentric doesn’t do much but just want things in hand, just like a reader-based prose. Inner Speech is the same to a writer-based prose, because that shows that they give details and go beyond those thoughts to express themselves. They have to learn to be a reader-based prose first, so you can become a writer-based prose. To know that one day we can become writer-based prose, it motivates us to continue the “multistage process” (pg 37) of transforming our thoughts to something that captivates the readers. To learn the skills and confidence to develop to become better writers.

Q. What does writer-base prose fail to do in terms of Rhetorical Strategies? Please Explain

R.
Here Linda Flowers explains that the reason writer-base prose fails is because it focuses more on emotion and lacks a connection between the reader and writer. This causes a problem, because the reader cannot make any relation to the writers thoughts and ideas. Creating a bond with the writers ideas makes it much easier to read and understand the concept of the writers article

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Linda Flower "Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in writing". College English, vol. 41, no. 1 (Sep., 1979), pp. 19-37.


Summary
In this article Linda Flower talks about the types of Prose there is when writing. One of the prose is called writer-base prose, and this is when a writer writes a piece based on their self-thoughts. When writing this way it is hard for the reader to understand your piece, becuase the writer is trying to re-word his/her thoughts and feelings onto paper and its hard to really try to get their point across. When the reader reads a piece like this and does not understand it, the writer would have to go back and re-write their essay all over again. Now on the other hand when Linda Flower mentions Readers Base Prose, she talks about how thw writer takes his/her time to make sure he/she gives good and enough details and information to make sure the reader understands thw piece written. Another method the writer uses is that he/she will try to put themselves into the readers shoes so they can figure out a way to write their piece or essay so the reader can understand it. So those are the two types of prose and if you want ot be a successful writer the prose to use is Reader Base Prose. The reason why is because it will help you write a well understanding piece.

Question:
What does writer-base prose fail to do in terms of Rhetorical Strategies? Please Explain.

Response:
The Writer-Base Prose fails to help the reader connect with the content, because writer-base prose deals with writing with emotions and self-thought. So that understand the writers writing. It is also very important for the reader to create a connection between the piece of writing and themselves in order to have a better understanding. In creating a connection with the piece of writing the reader is able to compare their own ideas or knowledge to the ideas that the writer is trying to relate. But none of this is possible because writer-base prose fails to do this.

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Linda Flower : “Writer –base-prose: a cognitive basis for problems in writing” College English Vol. 41 No.1 (sep. 1979), Pg 19-37
Linda Flower states that a lot of writers have a hard time communicating to their reader what they want to say. She said that these problems mainly happen because the writers are uncertain of how to transform their ideas in to a piece of writing that is both logical and understandable to the reader. She explained that writer-base prose is like the inner voice that tells the writer what to write; she goes on to say that most of these writings are egocentric and that in this type of writing the author have an easy time putting their thoughts down, but have a hard time leading the reader form one thought to another. In the other hand reader-base-prose is the complete opposite; here the author puts himself in the readers “shoes.” In reader-base-prose the author chooses carefully the function, structure of the easy, and the style of the text so that the text is more understandable to the reader, and still effective enough to get his point across.






How are the writing styles different between writer-base-prose and reader-base-prose?
One of the writing styles, writer-base-prose, is more focus on the emotions, thoughts and experiences of the writer; rather than focus on making sure that the text is understandable to the reader. In this type of writing the author does not take his audience into consideration he/she basically write what’s on his/her mind; this make the text really difficult for the reader to read, understand, and most importantly it is difficult for them to make connections to the text. Now reader-base-prose is the complete opposite to writer-base-prose; in reader-base-prose the author of the text puts him/her self in the readers position and tries to make his writing as simple and as understandable as he can. He tries to utilize writing as efficiently as possible to get his point across as fast as possible. In this type of writing the author takes careful consideration in the structure of the easy, and the style of the text; because s/he wants to make sure s/he gets his/her point across. This process takes longer than writer-base-prose, but I believe that it’s the more efficient way of writing; because you’re more likely to get your point across to your audience.

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Oscar Ramirez
Michael Silva
Eng 1320/1301
Tran Phan
09-28-10
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Linda Flower College English Vol. 41. No. 1 (Sep. 1979), Pg 19-37
In the article the author made point when people were writing they would make mistakes that were
careless and could be missed. Based on her research she notices that most of the stuff they so they put
new strategies on how to understand the reading. When they first started the experiment they studied
on small children on how they developed a sense of imagination and how they wrote it in a story form.
When they noticed that as they got older the way they wrote was different than what was expected
from them. They noticed that most of the writing was not up to its full potential. When they wrote
about a certain topic it they were off topic or they just did not make any sense for the other readers
could understand. They developed steps to improve their writing frame work. The steps were to
improve the writing by changing up certain wordings or phrases and then as usual rewrite the whole
essay to make it sound better. They build up that structure upon Function, Structure, and Style the
three ways to make the essay better and approved by other readers. If you follow the structure of the
plan eventually the paper should be will enough to show what data and other information is shown.


Q: What is the difference between Writer base prose and Reader base prose?


R: In the article the author points out two ways of writing in the article. One way of writing deals with
emotions, self-thoughts, and comments within their own writing. When they write like this it is called
Writers Base Prose it just means that the writers put thoughts of their own which to a point that other
readers read it and don’t understand it. Then the writer has to back and redo the whole writing to a
point for other readers can understand it and get the point of view. When the writers does that kind of
writing it makes it hard to understand what they are trying to say they write up to a point where the
other readers have to put thought in to it and understand what the other writer is trying to say in
between the writing. Most writers use the method when they want to make a personal log it to a journal
or keep thought to themselves to express. And in readers-base prose, the writer is taking his time to make sure that he is getting his point across to the preferred audience that he is trying to send out the message to. This means thinking everything over and making sure it is not confusing or going off topic and generally interesting to keep the audience fascinated about your paper. This can be a more time consuming process and maybe a little more difficult for some people.

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Eloy Gonzales
Arturo de la Torre
Trang Phang
9/28/10

Linda Flower. “Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing”. College English, Vol. 41, No. 1. (Sep., 1979), pp. 19-37.

S: Linda Flower clearly explains the problems that writers have a hard time saying what they want to say inform that readers can understand. There is a problem with many writers that don’t know how to transform their ideas in a way that the reader can understand. The author explains the writer-base prose by standing off with inner speech and egocentric and discovered that many writers have a hard time using words that transition you from thought to another without being monotone. Writer-Base prose is a workable concept, which can help understand that it can be a way to intervene in the thinking process, it taps intuitive communication strategies us as writers already have, but are not adequately using. There are three steps necessary in Writer-base prose which is function, structure, and style and each make an important part in this writer-prose understanding. Reader-Base prone the writer has to put himself in the readers shoes, he/she thinks more about the reader the as oppose to the writer-base prone.

Q: How would you identify a Writer-Base prose and a Reader-Base prose?

R: In my opinion a Writer-Base prose is a writer that writes for himself. For example a journal or a personal diary is a place where a writer-base can write without being questioned of his work or being criticized. The Writer-Based prose writes for their own understanding. In reader based prose, my opinion is that the writer is writing to fit the audience and thinks more of the audience and what the audience is going to look in its paper. In Reader-Based the author tries to make a point and helps the reader understand what the message is. A Writer-Base prose writer writes what they are usually thinking about without having the thought of being responded to. Writer-base writers write for themselves and do not take into consideration if the readers understand what they have written or care if they are criticized. A Reader-Base prose in the other hand takes into consideration his audience and tries to make his writing more understandable for his reader making space for comments and other suggestions. An example of a Reader-Base prose is a research paper, where the writer needs to explain their point to the audience. I believe that the Reader-Base prose and Writer-Base prose are both important because even though the writer-base is mostly ideas and thoughts; those ideas and thoughts could be used later on when writing on a reader-base prose side. Those ideas can help have a base on the writing that is going to become reader-based which is organized for the reader to understand.

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Rhetorical Reading Strategies and the Construction of Meaning

Summary:

This article is about an experiment that was made on ten readers. The experiment was meant to see the difference in the construction of meaning between experienced readers and student readers. The experiment consisted in giving both types of readers a text, and asking them what the text was about every few lines. The data of the experiment was then broken up into three categories. They were content, function, and rhetorical. Out of the three the most important is rhetorical, this is when the reader fully understands what the text was about, it’s when the reader looks at everything the author is trying to tell him. The other types of readers just find the main points of the text. Whit the experiment they found out that experienced readers use more rhetorical situations, meaning that they look for the author’s purpose in the text, this is when they look at the main points, and at what the author is trying to inform you about, the context and the audience, this is when they look at what type of people the text is talking to, and basically what the text is about. This constructive method is also very helpful when writing; it helps you stay in task, and also lets you focus more on what you want for the readers to get out of your text.

Question:

What does it mean to have “rhetorical “reading strategies?  Do you practice this method of reading?

Response:

When you read rhetorically you don’t just look at the text for the main points of it, or look deeply only on certain parts that seem to be important. Reading rhetorically is when you look deeply into the text, and break down what you are reading until you fully understand what the author is trying to tell you.

I think I use this method sometimes when I’m reading something that really interests me, but when I’m reading something that I don’t really care for, or something that I’m not getting anything from it, I don’t really use this method.

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SUMMARY:

This article written by Linda Flower was mainly about is the writer’s based prose, and the technique and steps of how to transform your work to a reader based writing. This article also talks about many studies people tests to show the relationship between these writer-based proses.
Most of the times people make their writing work to an audience; or in the other cases people write to discover their ideas or feelings. The steps people need to follow before starting to make their work it is very important to craft writing suitable for a reader, sometimes there is people that fear to show or express their thoughts or ideas because someone could judge them but they need to feel confident about themselves in order to make a good writing assignment with their own ideas even though other people will always just pay attention to the mistakes in the work and lack of reason. Sometimes peoples should not worry about what others will say; they have to focus on being original and try new things and being honest with our thoughts even though it could sound out of place. The writer-based prose it’s in charge of all the writing people make to themselves and even all the work that is composed to a reader before they put themselves into the reader’s shoes to see their point of view.
Every time people write, they write their ideas like brainstorming even though that is not one of the best ways to start a good composition but still could be considered as a way of starting to write because they generate ideas and that way they will not forget them. By following those tips people will improve their writing skills on “writer-based” prose they will star with the “reader-based” prose that the audience needs to understand their message.

QUESTION:
Explain what is writer-based prose and reader-based prose.

RESPONSE:
This article is mainly about two topics; writer-based prose and reader based-prose.  Linda Flower says that ineffective writers are the ones who apply “writer-based prose.” The author explains that writer-based prose is when the writer expresses his/her thoughts about a topic in written form and it is written by the writer for the writer. The writer does not care about the reader’s understanding but him/her own understanding.  Flower says that here is where the writer shows his/her process of thinking or writing about something.  Also she says that the ideas of the writer are hard or unclear to relate to one another so it is very difficult to understand their message; plus it contains “private” language where the writer mean different things to different people.

Reader based-prose is when effective writers apply it, Flower says in this article that this prose is when the writer knows and identified the reader.  Also, when the writer maintain the reader’s purpose for reading the work or composition in mind. It has clear ideas and is related to one another plus the work is well developed. The writer share the same language with the reader that way there are no difficulties in understanding the work.