Hi all,
don't forget to bring the HARD COPY of the handout (with 3 research Topics) that you filled out last week to class tomorrow.
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Monday, October 18, 2010
Tuesday, October 12, 2010
SQR6
Marcela Cardenas
Andrea Alanis
ENG 1320/1301.158
October 6, 2010
SQR 6 – Closing my eyes as I speak
Summary
In the reading “Closing my eyes as I speak” Peter Elbow says and explains how he intends not to undermine the benefits of writing with audience awareness, but instead of that celebrate the benefits of ignoring the audience. The author also mentions how some audiences can some times inspire the students and make them enable their writing, but never leaving out the idea that there are some audiences that intimidate the students. The author also mentions that ignoring the audience could be extremely beneficial for students.
Peter Elbow also mentions that in order to prevent a writer’s block and frustration the writer must sometimes ignore the audience and this will give the result of a better writing. In this article the author also talks about the audience awareness and how this get related with the writer-based prose and the reader-based prose. The author also mentions that we should encourage students to ignore the audience in order to recognize the audience awareness and in order for them to make a better work or presentation.
This article is just about how the audience awareness is related to the fears of speaking and how a student can develop better their work when they ignore o when they not ignore and audience.
QUESTION:
How is audience awareness related to writer-based prose and reader based-prose?
In the reading “Closing my eyes” the author talks about audience awareness and how is this related with writer-based prose and reader-based prose. Audience awareness is completely related to writer-based prose and reader-based prose because an audience is who understands when someone writes as a reader-based prose and that is when the audience understand but when someone use the writer-based prose that is when the audience does not understand.
Audience awareness is also related to writer and reader based prose because it depends in how much a person concentrates to the audience that he or she is presenting to and how the speakers tries to communicate with the audience. Sometimes the person who is exposing just concentrate in his own speech trying to avoid the audience to achieve a better work but there are other times in which the speaker just concentrates in its audience and try its best to explain its work and that is when the audience awareness does not work in relationship with the writer-based prose.
Thursday, October 7, 2010
SQR 6
Alva Nidia Huerta
Lucero Chinchurreta
Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience
Summary:
This article is about writers not to undermine the benefits of writing with audience, but to benefit from the ignorance of audience. In the article Elbow states that even though the audience helps the students feel smart and help enable their writing, it’s more ordinary of audiences who intimidate students, audiences that block and disrupt the writer from composing. Teachers need to help the students in recognizing what audience awareness is and for them to find a way to ignore the audiences as they compose.
Elbow claims ignoring the audience in early stages of the writing process can ultimately result in better writing, this helps prevent the writer’s blockage and the irritation towards their writing. Yet the writing can lead to writer-based prose instead of reader-based prose, writing writer-based prose is more natural. But it can also be odd, and writers should allow for the importance of revising with the audience in mind.
In the article the role of audience awareness is shown in two models of cognitive development, the Piagetian and the Vygotskian. The Piagetian model claims that language begins as a private act and as we mature, we learn to become more social. It claims that underdeveloped writing is caused by the inability to meet the needs of the audience. The solution for such writing, says the Piagetians, is to "think more about the audience." The Vygotskian model, on the other hand, states that language begins as a social act and as we mature, we learn to better hear our own voices for ourselves. Underdeveloped writing in this model happens when writers haven't taken the time to hear that voice. The solution for Vygotskians is for the author to develop ideas more fully for themselves.
Peter Elbow. “Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience”. College English, Vol. 49, No. 1(Jan., 1987), pp 50-69
Question:
Have you ever experience inviting/enabling audiences or inhibiting ones for you writing? Can you explain how it felt?
Response:
After reading the article “Closing My Eyes” by Peter Elbow we agree that for some people audience awareness is experience in a different way for some when they are expose to audience awareness as an inviting/enabling audience they feel comfortable writing in front or with an audience but for other audience awareness can be inhibiting which means that they do not like for other to say or see their audience they decide to close their eyes and block their audience completely. For example for us we tend or at some point we used to be inhibiting type of audience because when will get intimidated by the audience to the point where we will get nervous, we wouldn’t write or our thoughts and ideas would go away we would just feel dumps and we would do much will in the other hand as soon the person left or we would block our audience we would start writing with no problem our ideas would be better and we would end up with a complete draft. But as time pass we have learned to work with an audiences without feeling dumb, get distracted and blank out.
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Cynthia Sanchez
Andrea Martinez
Trang Phan
"Closing My Eyes As I Speak"
Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience, Peter Elbow, College English, Vol.49, No. 1(Jan. 1987), pp 50-69
“Closing My Eyes as I Speak” Peters Elbows briefly talks about how us writers sometimes do not really think when we are about to start writing. In other words that we practically write-base-prose. Elbows main point of view about us writing, write-base-prose is that he agrees with us and finds it as an easy way, because he thinks that every time the writer thinks of the audience we struggle to find the perfect word of fraise to sound perfect. Peter talks over two main things that audiences constantly seem to say. The first type is when audience gives good comments over the writers writing with a good tone. While the second type is when the audience just seem to be rude and make the writer feel dumb and unknowledgeable.
Q: In what way can audience awareness be helpful and hurtful when writing?
R: Audience awareness can be a very helpful source for writers while writing, for the fact of when we try to start to write a paper that we predict it will be understandable to them and well for us too. It can automatically be considered as a reader-based prose, because when us the writers have the audience in our mind when we write the paper it is known as readers-base-prose. However, it can be harmful, like if we think too much about our audience we just get confused and completely blank out or we just get stuck on the topic so we can’t think about what to really write. This is because we try too hard to satisfy our audience. For example: writer-based prose where we just don’t think about the audience, so that is what we as writers need to do, because they will give us a better paper. As for, reader-based prose it cannot be your own paper because the writer is just thinking of aiming directly to the point which it ends up being unsatisfied to the audience. The reason that that occurs is because they have too much audience awareness. In our opinion we think audience awareness can be both helpful and harmful but in order to get a good paper we have to be able to use reader-based prose and writer-based prose. We believe that the main format of readers-base-prose and writers-base-prose is that the writers need to know when and how to use those fromats.
Revised SQR 6
Javier Lopez
English 1320/1301 .158
Trang Phan
10/07/10
Closing My Eyes As I Speak (Revised)
S.
In this article, Peter Elbow focuses more on the fact that us, as students, often create a mass overload when speaking uncomfortably around people. As skilled professionals, teachers are often taught to teach their students to block out the audience when the overwhelming feeling of shyness occurs. Elbow compares the audience to a field of force (pg.51 ) that can be good and bad. The audience has a lot to do with the way the reader expresses himself. If you show no sense of interest, the reader will become more reluctant and began to show it by loss of words and ideas. Using tactics to block out the reader, or as Elbow calls it, “desert island mode”,(pg. 56) often deals with the ability to have some kind of psychological development. “Thought writing is deeply and though we usually help things by enhancing its social dimension, writing is also the mode of discourse best suited to helping us develop the reflective and private dimension of our mental lives.”(pg. 61)
Q. How does Audience Awareness be helpful and hurtful when writing an essay?
R.
In the article the author describes how sometimes the audience cannot help us because they want to much details and at the end we don’t know what to say because i run out of things to say. In my opinion, you should only refer to the audience when you have nothing else to say or for feed back. They can either help us or break us. If we just wright for the audience, our writing is going to lead to many mistakes and more than likely repeat itself. Now the audience can help you by asking for too much details about the topic. Basically you have to be on task and not let the audience overwhelm you. “Ignoring the audience can lead to worse drafts but better revisions.” (pg. 53). Although ignoring the audience can lead to better writing, you have to learn when to and when not to rely on them. Usually when I write my papers, I first think about myself and come back to the audience. That’s not always a good thing to do because it can easily sidetrack a reader. So either way, if u think about the audience or only put your opinion, it will somehow lead to bad writing.
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Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience
Author(s): Peter Elbow Source: College English, Vol. 49, No. 1 (Jan., 1987), pp. 50 69.Published by: National Council of Teachers of English
In the article the Peter Elbow states that sometimes when we write we don’t really think about it. That we write mostly in a writer-base-prose. He says this because he feels that it’s easiest to write this way; because when you take the audience into consideration you get stuck trying to find the right words to conduct your point of view to the reader. The author also says that there are two types of audiences. One type is the one that helps you by giving you good constructive criticism and the audience that makes you feel like you are dumb by not paying you attention or just by the way they respond to you. He ultimately states that if the situation gets rough sometimes it may help to putting readers out of mind to have a better express your idea, and then when you revise your writing you just alter it a little so that it’s understandable to other people not only to you.
How are the Piagentian and Vygotskian developmental models compare to writer-base-prose and to reader-base-prose?
In Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience, Peter Elbow states that when people write they generally use one of two developmental models the Piagentian or the Vygotskian; one of which, Piafentian, starts on a personal level; that means that you write only whats on your mind and don’t really care for anyone else. This sounded really familiar to me because Linda Flower stated something similar in her article. She stated that for most people its easier to write form a personal level that includes personal experiences and language that is not common to everyone she called this process writer-base-prose. The other one, Vyfotskian, starts at a social level, which means that when you write you don’t only think about yourself you think about the audience of the your paper. Linda Flower also stated something similar except that she called it reader-base-prose. In this process she said that the writer put the reader before him/herself; that meant that the author would try to put him/herself in the readers place in order to assure that the reader will understand the purpose of the text. However here is where Elbow and Flower differ; Elbow feels that all writers should use Piagentian because like that they don’t run the risk of losing their “voice;” while Flower believes that writers should move away from writing utilizing writer-base-prose to writing styles that worry more about the reader, reader-base-prose. I believe that we as writer need a balance of the two in order to progress as writers.
Author(s): Peter Elbow Source: College English, Vol. 49, No. 1 (Jan., 1987), pp. 50 69.Published by: National Council of Teachers of English
In the article the Peter Elbow states that sometimes when we write we don’t really think about it. That we write mostly in a writer-base-prose. He says this because he feels that it’s easiest to write this way; because when you take the audience into consideration you get stuck trying to find the right words to conduct your point of view to the reader. The author also says that there are two types of audiences. One type is the one that helps you by giving you good constructive criticism and the audience that makes you feel like you are dumb by not paying you attention or just by the way they respond to you. He ultimately states that if the situation gets rough sometimes it may help to putting readers out of mind to have a better express your idea, and then when you revise your writing you just alter it a little so that it’s understandable to other people not only to you.
How are the Piagentian and Vygotskian developmental models compare to writer-base-prose and to reader-base-prose?
In Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience, Peter Elbow states that when people write they generally use one of two developmental models the Piagentian or the Vygotskian; one of which, Piafentian, starts on a personal level; that means that you write only whats on your mind and don’t really care for anyone else. This sounded really familiar to me because Linda Flower stated something similar in her article. She stated that for most people its easier to write form a personal level that includes personal experiences and language that is not common to everyone she called this process writer-base-prose. The other one, Vyfotskian, starts at a social level, which means that when you write you don’t only think about yourself you think about the audience of the your paper. Linda Flower also stated something similar except that she called it reader-base-prose. In this process she said that the writer put the reader before him/herself; that meant that the author would try to put him/herself in the readers place in order to assure that the reader will understand the purpose of the text. However here is where Elbow and Flower differ; Elbow feels that all writers should use Piagentian because like that they don’t run the risk of losing their “voice;” while Flower believes that writers should move away from writing utilizing writer-base-prose to writing styles that worry more about the reader, reader-base-prose. I believe that we as writer need a balance of the two in order to progress as writers.
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Zalina Nazarova and Adrian Badillo
Eng 1320/1301.158
Phan Trang
Closing my eyes as I speak: An argument for ignoring audience
This article talks about some techniques which will help students not to struggle or feel nervous while giving a speech in front of huge audience. There are two types of audience. First are inviting or enabling, and when we think about them as we write, we usually think of more and better things to say. It’s like talking to the perfect listener. Second is inhibiting. There are certain people who always make us feel stupid or dumb when we try to speak to them, which mean we can’t find words or thoughts. And as soon as we get out of their presence, all the things that we wanted to say pop back into our minds. The awareness of audience disturbs our writing and thinking. For example when we write to our teacher or professor we often start to think defensively. As we write our minds fills with thoughts of how the intended reader will criticize it. So we try to qualify what we write and our writing becomes tangled or empty. So what we should do is we need to ignore the audience during writing and write to ourselves. This strategy always dissipates the confusion. After we have figured out our thinking in draft writing we can follow the traditional rhetorical advice: think about readers and revise carefully to adjust our thoughts and words to our intended audience. So as a writer we need to learn when to think about audience and when to put readers out of mind. After examine good student or professional writing you can see that writer’s having gotten sufficiently wrapped up in her meaning and her language and have forgotten all about audience needs. It also been said that writers need to escape their audience in order to find their own ideas. What most readers’ value in really excellent writing is not prose that is right for readers but prose that is right for thinking, language, or right for the subject being written about.
Q.What are the influences of audience while writing?
R.Audience adaptation is an initial step to evaluate the relationship between writer and reader. It is the concept of an author structuring and styling the way information is written based on who the author feels will be reading her text. The consideration of audience affects the style, tone and way an author chooses to write as a result. A writer is forming thoughts and conveying information in a style she/he believes will help an audience better understand context. Interpretations of text rely on the individual’s experiences and previous knowledge. To stylize work toward a particular audience, a writer must develop assumptions about who the audience consists of and how they would interpret ideas. So for example there is a huge difference if your audience is professor or high school student. If your audience is professor you will use different phrases, scholar information or resources, you will follow certain rules and things like that. Where in the situation where your audience is high school student you will not care about scholar information or scholar sources, or your phrases won’t look so complicated it would be very simple. Writers are always relay on their audience, while writing, in order to make some changes in their writing because each kind of audience has different knowledge and status.
Eng 1320/1301.158
Phan Trang
Closing my eyes as I speak: An argument for ignoring audience
This article talks about some techniques which will help students not to struggle or feel nervous while giving a speech in front of huge audience. There are two types of audience. First are inviting or enabling, and when we think about them as we write, we usually think of more and better things to say. It’s like talking to the perfect listener. Second is inhibiting. There are certain people who always make us feel stupid or dumb when we try to speak to them, which mean we can’t find words or thoughts. And as soon as we get out of their presence, all the things that we wanted to say pop back into our minds. The awareness of audience disturbs our writing and thinking. For example when we write to our teacher or professor we often start to think defensively. As we write our minds fills with thoughts of how the intended reader will criticize it. So we try to qualify what we write and our writing becomes tangled or empty. So what we should do is we need to ignore the audience during writing and write to ourselves. This strategy always dissipates the confusion. After we have figured out our thinking in draft writing we can follow the traditional rhetorical advice: think about readers and revise carefully to adjust our thoughts and words to our intended audience. So as a writer we need to learn when to think about audience and when to put readers out of mind. After examine good student or professional writing you can see that writer’s having gotten sufficiently wrapped up in her meaning and her language and have forgotten all about audience needs. It also been said that writers need to escape their audience in order to find their own ideas. What most readers’ value in really excellent writing is not prose that is right for readers but prose that is right for thinking, language, or right for the subject being written about.
Q.What are the influences of audience while writing?
R.Audience adaptation is an initial step to evaluate the relationship between writer and reader. It is the concept of an author structuring and styling the way information is written based on who the author feels will be reading her text. The consideration of audience affects the style, tone and way an author chooses to write as a result. A writer is forming thoughts and conveying information in a style she/he believes will help an audience better understand context. Interpretations of text rely on the individual’s experiences and previous knowledge. To stylize work toward a particular audience, a writer must develop assumptions about who the audience consists of and how they would interpret ideas. So for example there is a huge difference if your audience is professor or high school student. If your audience is professor you will use different phrases, scholar information or resources, you will follow certain rules and things like that. Where in the situation where your audience is high school student you will not care about scholar information or scholar sources, or your phrases won’t look so complicated it would be very simple. Writers are always relay on their audience, while writing, in order to make some changes in their writing because each kind of audience has different knowledge and status.
Wednesday, October 6, 2010
SQR 6
Oscar Ramirez
Michael Silva
Eng 1320/1301
Tran Phan
10-05-10
SQR 6
Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience, Peter Elbow, College English, Vol.49, No. 1(Jan. 1987), pp 50-69
In the article the author points out that when we write we don’t really put any thought in to it. So we
just keep on writing and doing whatever we want to write and the author notices that we don’t just
keep on writing instead of us stopping and writing to a point where we make it understandable for the
other people. He talks about how we as writers don’t like to stall and wait for an idea. They want to
write papers that they know they can write to if they don’t like the teacher they don’t want a topic
based and the teacher due to the comments they might write. They want to write something that they
are good at and they can relate to for a better writing. When they write like that they sometime don’t
care what other people think other their writing. In the other hand it can be a good thing for some
People due to its affects that proof reading can actually help out them improve on some errors.
Oscar Ramirez
Michael Silva
Eng 1320/1301
Tran Phan
SRQ 6
Q: How does Audience awareness be helpful and hurtful when writing an essay?
R: In the article the way the author describes how writing notes on the side of an essay telling a student how they can improve how they can get a bit criticized because they never know how hard they worked on that paper and when they get it back it has notes that it was off topic or it didn’t have enough details. It depends on the student in how they take in the notes that someone wrote or someone told you how to change. Some students take it in as a self criticism when its only notes to help the writer understand that they did not write it correctly on some parts and they should take it in for they can make them better at what they are writing. The kids who took it in as a comment they used it as an advantage to better themselves to make them see the mistakes they made by themselves and how they can change it. But then again a student can look at it in a helpful way and really think about what is wrong and come up with something completely genius. It all really depends on how the person reacts to the help they get from the audience.
Michael Silva
Eng 1320/1301
Tran Phan
10-05-10
SQR 6
Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience, Peter Elbow, College English, Vol.49, No. 1(Jan. 1987), pp 50-69
In the article the author points out that when we write we don’t really put any thought in to it. So we
just keep on writing and doing whatever we want to write and the author notices that we don’t just
keep on writing instead of us stopping and writing to a point where we make it understandable for the
other people. He talks about how we as writers don’t like to stall and wait for an idea. They want to
write papers that they know they can write to if they don’t like the teacher they don’t want a topic
based and the teacher due to the comments they might write. They want to write something that they
are good at and they can relate to for a better writing. When they write like that they sometime don’t
care what other people think other their writing. In the other hand it can be a good thing for some
People due to its affects that proof reading can actually help out them improve on some errors.
Oscar Ramirez
Michael Silva
Eng 1320/1301
Tran Phan
SRQ 6
Q: How does Audience awareness be helpful and hurtful when writing an essay?
R: In the article the way the author describes how writing notes on the side of an essay telling a student how they can improve how they can get a bit criticized because they never know how hard they worked on that paper and when they get it back it has notes that it was off topic or it didn’t have enough details. It depends on the student in how they take in the notes that someone wrote or someone told you how to change. Some students take it in as a self criticism when its only notes to help the writer understand that they did not write it correctly on some parts and they should take it in for they can make them better at what they are writing. The kids who took it in as a comment they used it as an advantage to better themselves to make them see the mistakes they made by themselves and how they can change it. But then again a student can look at it in a helpful way and really think about what is wrong and come up with something completely genius. It all really depends on how the person reacts to the help they get from the audience.
Tuesday, October 5, 2010
SQR 6
My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument For Ignoring Audience
Summary
Throughout the article Peter Elbow claims that “writer-based prose can be better than reader-based prose”(53). He talks about two kinds of audiences: inviting/enabling (writers think about the audience and they think better things to say) and inhibiting (audience that make writers feel dumb when they try to speak to them). Therefore when writers are aware of the audience as they write, it may disturb or disrupt their thinking. The author suggest to the inexpert writers to ignore audience during the early stages of their writing, and assess the readers’ needs during revision “ignoring audience can lead to worse drafts but better revisions”(53). Ignoring the audience would lead writers to explore their thoughts and discover their own ideas as they write to themselves. The author states that learning to be aware of when to turn off the audience would lead to better writings. He also mentions that ignoring audience can help writers to generate a stronger voice for their writings.
In the article the author suggest for the teachers to teach their students to write in the desert island mode (private writing). In order for the teachers to help the students, they need to be a private audience to the students, by trusting and believing in their writing.
Question #4
In p. 53, the author concludes that, “it’s often difficult to work out new meaning while thinking about the readers”. Do you agree with this argument? Please explain.
Yes, we concur with the author’s conclusion. It is difficult as a writer to explore our thoughts and discover new ideas about a certain topic while we are focused on assessing readers’ needs. It’s complicated for us writers to be thinking about the readers’ interpretation of a meaning that we the writers haven’t even figured out yet ourselves. We believe that in order to begin to construct a good concept we need to not think about the readers’ needs at first. Especially the inhibiting audience, which are the ones that make us feel dumb and shut us down. Therefore, it’s important for us writers to be aware if the audience we have would help us as we write or if the audience would hurt us by confusing us when we write. When we begin to write we need to just write what we feel and use our own opinions on the topic we are writing about, without worrying about the audience.
This does not mean that we won’t assess the readers’ needs. It’s just that first we have to figure out our own concept about the topic we are writing about. And once we have discovered our concept, then as we revise it we will assess the readers’ needs. (making use of rhetorical writing strategies)
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Eloy Gonzalez
Arturo De La Torre
English 2313/1301.158
Trang Phan
10/5/10
Closing My Eyes As I Speak; An Argument for Ignoring Audience
Peter Elbow. “Closing My Eyes As I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience”. College English, Vol.49, No.1 (Jan., 1987), pp.50-69
S: Closing my eyes as I speak is mainly about helping one to become a better writer by teaching them to ignore their audience when the time is right. The author contradicts what the author Linda Flower says about Reader-Based Prose being better than Writer-Based Prose. Writer-Based prose as in many cased even when speaking can help the writer have more sense of what they want to write. Some audiences become hard to speak or write to when your are trying directly saying something but if you just say thoughts you are certainly expressing yourself to what you really want to say. The author gives another point of view on Reader-Based Prose and Writer-Based Prose giving more sense to the Writer-Based Prose. One main factor could be when writing discourse, as in communication or as in a play or poesies. Teacher role changes when criticism because they are no longer a teacher but an audience when this writing is being looked at. The author finishes by giving the different types of writing which are the writing task, actual reader, ones’ own temperament, “audience in-the-head”, double audience, and teacher in consideration for the best writing. When the situation gets rough sometimes it may help to putting readers out of mind and thinking of no audience, to self as a Writer-Based prose, when revising its always good to revise with an audience in mind that way your writing can make sense to whom you are speaking to.
Q: How is audience awareness related to Writer-Based Prose and Reader-Based?
R: Writer-Based prose is writing without thinking of your audience and writing to yourself and for yourself. Reader-Based prose is writing with an audience in mind and basing your conclusions and opinions on what the audience might be interested in. The author mentioned that in order for audience to understand you have to mention what your ideas are and organize them in a way for your audience to understand. In order to do that you would use both the Writer-Based prose to formulate ideas and freely write them down and then Reader-Based prose by organizing the ideas so the audience can get a sense of what you are trying to say and can agree or criticize. For example, in a research you can start of as Writer-Based prose by getting your ideas and writing them down. Then you can use Reader-Based prose to organize those ideas so the audience can understand them. Audience awareness is a combination of composing Writer-Based prose ideas and Read-Based prose. Audience awareness helps you know when the time is right to ignore the audience out of mind and when to emphasize audience awareness just like switching from Writer-Based prose to Reader Based prose.
Arturo De La Torre
English 2313/1301.158
Trang Phan
10/5/10
Closing My Eyes As I Speak; An Argument for Ignoring Audience
Peter Elbow. “Closing My Eyes As I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience”. College English, Vol.49, No.1 (Jan., 1987), pp.50-69
S: Closing my eyes as I speak is mainly about helping one to become a better writer by teaching them to ignore their audience when the time is right. The author contradicts what the author Linda Flower says about Reader-Based Prose being better than Writer-Based Prose. Writer-Based prose as in many cased even when speaking can help the writer have more sense of what they want to write. Some audiences become hard to speak or write to when your are trying directly saying something but if you just say thoughts you are certainly expressing yourself to what you really want to say. The author gives another point of view on Reader-Based Prose and Writer-Based Prose giving more sense to the Writer-Based Prose. One main factor could be when writing discourse, as in communication or as in a play or poesies. Teacher role changes when criticism because they are no longer a teacher but an audience when this writing is being looked at. The author finishes by giving the different types of writing which are the writing task, actual reader, ones’ own temperament, “audience in-the-head”, double audience, and teacher in consideration for the best writing. When the situation gets rough sometimes it may help to putting readers out of mind and thinking of no audience, to self as a Writer-Based prose, when revising its always good to revise with an audience in mind that way your writing can make sense to whom you are speaking to.
Q: How is audience awareness related to Writer-Based Prose and Reader-Based?
R: Writer-Based prose is writing without thinking of your audience and writing to yourself and for yourself. Reader-Based prose is writing with an audience in mind and basing your conclusions and opinions on what the audience might be interested in. The author mentioned that in order for audience to understand you have to mention what your ideas are and organize them in a way for your audience to understand. In order to do that you would use both the Writer-Based prose to formulate ideas and freely write them down and then Reader-Based prose by organizing the ideas so the audience can get a sense of what you are trying to say and can agree or criticize. For example, in a research you can start of as Writer-Based prose by getting your ideas and writing them down. Then you can use Reader-Based prose to organize those ideas so the audience can understand them. Audience awareness is a combination of composing Writer-Based prose ideas and Read-Based prose. Audience awareness helps you know when the time is right to ignore the audience out of mind and when to emphasize audience awareness just like switching from Writer-Based prose to Reader Based prose.
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Daniel Garcia
Ricardo Salinas
ENG 1320/1301. 158
Trang Phan
10/4/2010
Summary
Closing my eyes as I speak: An argument for Ignoring Audience
This text is telling us that when we write an essay or something else, you have to know when you have to think as a reader, and when use the strategy of write to yourself, think that there is no going to be audience.
An audience is a field of force-the close we come, the stronger the pull they exert on the contents of our minds. There are friendly audience, that make you feel comfortable and that makes us feel smarter and we come up with ideas that we didn’t know we had. But in the other hand, we have audience that are powerfully inhibitng, is certain people that make us feel dumd when we try to speak to them. The effect of audience awareness is somewhere between: the awareness disturbs or disrupts our writing and thinking without completely blocking it.
The best way to make a good writing is when you know the exact point of when you have to think as a there is no audience and write your own point of view and then put yourself as a reader and make the corrections that you have to make so the reader can perfectly understand what you have wrote.
Question:
How does Peter Elbow describes audience awareness? In what way can audience awareness be helpful and hurtful when writing?
Response:
Some audiences, for example, are inviting or enabling. When we think about them as we write, we think of more and better things to say-and what we think somehow arrives more coherently structured than usual, when the audience its paying attetion to the writer he feels a positive feedback and he feels comfortable with the work he made and that’s a helpful audience.
Other audiences,. There are certain people who want to intimidate the writer, want to make him feel dumb and if the writer cares about what the audience thinks of them, he is not going to be comfortable with that type of audience, and he will loose focus about he just made. Sometimes the writer gives a wrong information because this kind of pressure.
Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience Author(s): Peter Elbow Source: College English, Vol. 49, No. 1 (Jan., 1987), pp. 50-69 Published by: National Council of Teachers of English
Ricardo Salinas
ENG 1320/1301. 158
Trang Phan
10/4/2010
Summary
Closing my eyes as I speak: An argument for Ignoring Audience
This text is telling us that when we write an essay or something else, you have to know when you have to think as a reader, and when use the strategy of write to yourself, think that there is no going to be audience.
An audience is a field of force-the close we come, the stronger the pull they exert on the contents of our minds. There are friendly audience, that make you feel comfortable and that makes us feel smarter and we come up with ideas that we didn’t know we had. But in the other hand, we have audience that are powerfully inhibitng, is certain people that make us feel dumd when we try to speak to them. The effect of audience awareness is somewhere between: the awareness disturbs or disrupts our writing and thinking without completely blocking it.
The best way to make a good writing is when you know the exact point of when you have to think as a there is no audience and write your own point of view and then put yourself as a reader and make the corrections that you have to make so the reader can perfectly understand what you have wrote.
Question:
How does Peter Elbow describes audience awareness? In what way can audience awareness be helpful and hurtful when writing?
Response:
Some audiences, for example, are inviting or enabling. When we think about them as we write, we think of more and better things to say-and what we think somehow arrives more coherently structured than usual, when the audience its paying attetion to the writer he feels a positive feedback and he feels comfortable with the work he made and that’s a helpful audience.
Other audiences,. There are certain people who want to intimidate the writer, want to make him feel dumb and if the writer cares about what the audience thinks of them, he is not going to be comfortable with that type of audience, and he will loose focus about he just made. Sometimes the writer gives a wrong information because this kind of pressure.
Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience Author(s): Peter Elbow Source: College English, Vol. 49, No. 1 (Jan., 1987), pp. 50-69 Published by: National Council of Teachers of English
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Roxanna Diaz
Jessica Mendoza
Eng 1302/1320.158
Trang Phan
October 4, 2010
Closing My Eyes As I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience
Peter Elbow. “Closing My Eyes As I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience”. College English, Vol. 49, No.1 (Jan., 1987), pp.50-69
SUMMARY:
In this article Peter Elbow, the author, starts telling the reader about how it is very rude when a person closes their eyes to think about what they are going to say. The reason that a person does this is because they want to clear their mind and be able to say the right thing to the audience. In order for them to do that they close their eyes even though it might look rude to a person, but this action might be good for a writer. Elbow later tells us how sometimes it is better for the writer to use writer-based prose than reader-based prose because when the writer is thinking too much about the audience they just get to confused when writing. This is because if we know who we are writing for we just go blank and cannot write any more. So in order to do better the author just has to be able to block their audience until they get their train of thought back on the subject and then get back to reader-based prose. There is also the two cognitive models of development that author name which are Piagentian and Vygotskian. Piagentian is when the writer “learn to enter into viewpoints other than our own”, the Vygotskian is when the writer “learn to produce good thinking and discourse while alone”. By the writing being about to do this they are showing that they have been about to obtain a higher skill.
Question: In what way can the audience awareness be helpful and harmful when writing?
Response:
Audience awareness can be helpful while writing because we try to write a paper that would be understandable to them. This can be considering reader-based prose because we have the audience in our mind when we write the paper. The way it can be harmful is that we think too much about our audience that we get stuck in the topic and do not know what to write. This is because we try too hard to satisfy our audience that we get ourselves confused and at the end we don’t get our point to the reader. Just like in writer-based prose where we do not think about the audience that is what we as writer need to do sometime because they will give us a better paper. In the other hand when writing reader-based prose it tends not to be your own paper because the writer is going straight to the point in which ends up being somewhat boring to the reader. They do this because they have too much audience awareness. In our opinion we think audience awareness can be both helpful and harmful but in order to get a good paper we have to be able to use reader-based prose and writer-based prose. But the key about using both of them is knowing which one to used and at what time to use it.
Jessica Mendoza
Eng 1302/1320.158
Trang Phan
October 4, 2010
Closing My Eyes As I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience
Peter Elbow. “Closing My Eyes As I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience”. College English, Vol. 49, No.1 (Jan., 1987), pp.50-69
SUMMARY:
In this article Peter Elbow, the author, starts telling the reader about how it is very rude when a person closes their eyes to think about what they are going to say. The reason that a person does this is because they want to clear their mind and be able to say the right thing to the audience. In order for them to do that they close their eyes even though it might look rude to a person, but this action might be good for a writer. Elbow later tells us how sometimes it is better for the writer to use writer-based prose than reader-based prose because when the writer is thinking too much about the audience they just get to confused when writing. This is because if we know who we are writing for we just go blank and cannot write any more. So in order to do better the author just has to be able to block their audience until they get their train of thought back on the subject and then get back to reader-based prose. There is also the two cognitive models of development that author name which are Piagentian and Vygotskian. Piagentian is when the writer “learn to enter into viewpoints other than our own”, the Vygotskian is when the writer “learn to produce good thinking and discourse while alone”. By the writing being about to do this they are showing that they have been about to obtain a higher skill.
Question: In what way can the audience awareness be helpful and harmful when writing?
Response:
Audience awareness can be helpful while writing because we try to write a paper that would be understandable to them. This can be considering reader-based prose because we have the audience in our mind when we write the paper. The way it can be harmful is that we think too much about our audience that we get stuck in the topic and do not know what to write. This is because we try too hard to satisfy our audience that we get ourselves confused and at the end we don’t get our point to the reader. Just like in writer-based prose where we do not think about the audience that is what we as writer need to do sometime because they will give us a better paper. In the other hand when writing reader-based prose it tends not to be your own paper because the writer is going straight to the point in which ends up being somewhat boring to the reader. They do this because they have too much audience awareness. In our opinion we think audience awareness can be both helpful and harmful but in order to get a good paper we have to be able to use reader-based prose and writer-based prose. But the key about using both of them is knowing which one to used and at what time to use it.
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